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		<title>By: Jack Rutter</title>
		<link>http://www.fishandclicks.co.uk/affiliate-marketing-behavioural-retargeting/comment-page-1/#comment-16605</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Rutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

Interesting discussion that has come to my attention over the last 6 months. To give you a bit of background I have been examining the possibility of display partners re-targeting &quot;shopping basket abandoners&quot; (as they are known in the re-targeting world) with display messages on CPA (click cookie, not PI). 

My opinion on whether affiliates get a cut of the retargeting CPA is dependent on how this activity is carried out. The most important aspect of re-targeting is getting the data with the relevant user profile information. There are two ways in which this can be done:

1) Tag put on the advertisers page to capture the profile data of every non - converter (traffic from PPC, SEO, direct to URL etc) then ALL who did not buy are re-messaged.

In this scenario then it is difficult to justify giving affiliates a slice of the retargeting CPA because they are up against all other channels that have played a role in driving traffic and this would be very difficult to attribute. However the volumes for the partner doing the re-messaging will be huge. 

According to my research search re-targeting campaigns have had conversion rates of up to 3%. Let’s think about this from the clients’ point of view for a second and look at the numbers.

Client X 2,000,000 unique visits per month
Conversion rate of 5% = 100,000 transactions
Non-Conversion rate 95% = 1,900,000 unique users not buying
Average order £100

3% conversion from re-targeting messages
1,900,000 X 0.03 = 57,000 transactions
57,000 X £100 = £570,000 in potential revenue for the client

2) If a client with network and or an agency choose to target those “shopping basket abandoners” that were referred from the affiliate channel then it is different, I believe affiliates should get paid a finders fee.

To get this data an append is put onto an affiliate networks’ tracking URL and all affiliate  referred traffic that has not converted can then be re-targeted. Volumes would be lower than the scenario above, however it could still have a big impact on the volume of sales over a 12 month period.

There are operational challenges however:

•	Getting a client to put a tag on their site (can be very challenging sometimes!!)
•	When a retarget ad can be served
•	How to attribute paying affiliate refferal fees

Despite this, both are a valuable source of sales that advertisers could investigate and moving forward will help drives efficiency from their marketing spend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Interesting discussion that has come to my attention over the last 6 months. To give you a bit of background I have been examining the possibility of display partners re-targeting &#8220;shopping basket abandoners&#8221; (as they are known in the re-targeting world) with display messages on CPA (click cookie, not PI). </p>
<p>My opinion on whether affiliates get a cut of the retargeting CPA is dependent on how this activity is carried out. The most important aspect of re-targeting is getting the data with the relevant user profile information. There are two ways in which this can be done:</p>
<p>1) Tag put on the advertisers page to capture the profile data of every non &#8211; converter (traffic from PPC, SEO, direct to URL etc) then ALL who did not buy are re-messaged.</p>
<p>In this scenario then it is difficult to justify giving affiliates a slice of the retargeting CPA because they are up against all other channels that have played a role in driving traffic and this would be very difficult to attribute. However the volumes for the partner doing the re-messaging will be huge. </p>
<p>According to my research search re-targeting campaigns have had conversion rates of up to 3%. Let’s think about this from the clients’ point of view for a second and look at the numbers.</p>
<p>Client X 2,000,000 unique visits per month<br />
Conversion rate of 5% = 100,000 transactions<br />
Non-Conversion rate 95% = 1,900,000 unique users not buying<br />
Average order £100</p>
<p>3% conversion from re-targeting messages<br />
1,900,000 X 0.03 = 57,000 transactions<br />
57,000 X £100 = £570,000 in potential revenue for the client</p>
<p>2) If a client with network and or an agency choose to target those “shopping basket abandoners” that were referred from the affiliate channel then it is different, I believe affiliates should get paid a finders fee.</p>
<p>To get this data an append is put onto an affiliate networks’ tracking URL and all affiliate  referred traffic that has not converted can then be re-targeted. Volumes would be lower than the scenario above, however it could still have a big impact on the volume of sales over a 12 month period.</p>
<p>There are operational challenges however:</p>
<p>•	Getting a client to put a tag on their site (can be very challenging sometimes!!)<br />
•	When a retarget ad can be served<br />
•	How to attribute paying affiliate refferal fees</p>
<p>Despite this, both are a valuable source of sales that advertisers could investigate and moving forward will help drives efficiency from their marketing spend.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.fishandclicks.co.uk/affiliate-marketing-behavioural-retargeting/comment-page-1/#comment-16603</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris,  thanks for the extra info.  I was alerted to this via the &lt;a href=&quot;http://adwords.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-ways-to-reach-right-audience-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;adwords blog announcement&lt;/a&gt; a few days ago and our search team here at MEC.  It reminded me of when MSN launched adCenter and you could target certain demographics built on previously captured data.  I guess what I&#039;m not seeing is the conflict with this addition to Adwords and Affiliate.  Those running search campaigns now have this as an additional tool within their arsenal.  Privacy issue is the main one I see,  it&#039;s a shame this appears to be opt out rather than opt in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris,  thanks for the extra info.  I was alerted to this via the <a href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-ways-to-reach-right-audience-on.html" rel="nofollow">adwords blog announcement</a> a few days ago and our search team here at MEC.  It reminded me of when MSN launched adCenter and you could target certain demographics built on previously captured data.  I guess what I&#8217;m not seeing is the conflict with this addition to Adwords and Affiliate.  Those running search campaigns now have this as an additional tool within their arsenal.  Privacy issue is the main one I see,  it&#8217;s a shame this appears to be opt out rather than opt in.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris T</title>
		<link>http://www.fishandclicks.co.uk/affiliate-marketing-behavioural-retargeting/comment-page-1/#comment-16602</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/topic.py?topic=20310&amp;hl=en_GB. So.. . Google&#039;s Interest-based advertising will allow advertisers to display ads based on a user&#039;s previous interactions with them, such as visits to advertiser website and also to reach users based on their interests</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/topic.py?topic=20310&amp;hl=en_GB" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/topic.py?topic=20310&amp;hl=en_GB</a>. So.. . Google&#8217;s Interest-based advertising will allow advertisers to display ads based on a user&#8217;s previous interactions with them, such as visits to advertiser website and also to reach users based on their interests</p>
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